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Has anyone used ecollect.com.au or a similar location and debt collection agency to locate defaulting tenants and collect monies owed after having a VCAT (or another states tribunal) order awarded in your favour?
If so did you get any money back this way?  

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Bhp19 said: ↑
Has anyone used ecollect.com.au or a similar location and debt collection agency to locate defaulting tenants and collect monies owed after having a VCAT (or another states tribunal) order awarded in your favour?
If so did you get any money back this way?Click to expand...
They would surely require a payment upfront to locate the tenant.

I had a judgment many years ago for a few thousand and the collection agency wanted money up front to go out to his mother's house and look for him etc. I understood why = they are probably unlikley to find him and unlikely to get any money. I decided it wasn't worth the cost and gave up.  

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Terry_w said: ↑
They would surely require a payment upfront to locate the tenant.

I had a judgment many years ago for a few thousand and the collection agency wanted money up front to go out to his mother's house and look for him etc. I understood why = they are probably unlikley to find him and unlikely to get any money. I decided it wasn't worth the cost and gave up.Click to expand...
Its pretty rarely worth the cost/effort, but sometimes a letter stating you're going to do so can work :p  

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Hi Terry,

I unfortunately have two orders I need to follow up and they are for over $5,000 each. I just had a quick look at their website and they charge $242 to locate a debtor which seems reasonable, I'd be happy to pay it as I'm struggling to figure out any other way to legally find them, just wanted to see if anyone else had used them.  

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Bhp19 said: ↑
Hi Terry,

I unfortunately have two orders I need to follow up and they are for over $5,000 each. I just had a quick look at their website and they charge $242 to locate a debtor which seems reasonable, I'd be happy to pay it as I'm struggling to figure out any other way to legally find them, just wanted to see if anyone else had used them.Click to expand...
Yes that sounds reasonable - but it would probably just be computer based searches which may not mean much in reality.

Assuming you do find the person then what?
Do they own any assets?  

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I guess that's what I'm trying to find out, this is all new ground and it's a bit of a learning curve for me so I'm happy to see it through, if it works out and I get even some of the money back then I'll chalk it up as a lesson learnt.

I have a much more experienced property manager now so I'm reasonably confident that we shouldn't have to go down this path again but f we do at least we will have the experience of this time.  

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Bhp19 said: ↑
I guess that's what I'm trying to find out, this is all new ground and it's a bit of a learning curve for me so I'm happy to see it through, if it works out and I get even some of the money back then I'll chalk it up as a lesson learnt.

I have a much more experienced property manager now so I'm reasonably confident that we shouldn't have to go down this path again but f we do at least we will have the experience of this time.Click to expand...
If they don't have any assets which you could seize or a wage you could garnish then be wary of spending money.  

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Do you know a way I could find that information out Terry? I know both have vehicles that would be worth in excess of the monies owed and they both were able to fill my IP with their furnishings so I know the Sheriffs office could seize and auction these (a family member used to work there).
Is there a way I can find out where they work? (They have both changed employers since they we our tenants so we only have their previous employer's details).
Thanks for all of your responses by the way Terry.  

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Not really any way to know. You can do land titles searches and ASIC searches but tenants or former tenants are probably not likely to own real property or shares in private companies.

You should look into whether you can seize cars. Under the bankruptcy act and regulations someone is allowed to keep a car up to a certain value. You are not bankrupting them so the rules will be different, but it would be unlikely probably - unless valuable cars.

You could possibly do a personal properties security register search on the car to find out if financed - if you know the relevant details. But you would probably be breaching the privacy laws.

Also just because they drive a car doesn't mean they own that car. It could be owned by a parent or relative etc.

Have you done a google search on their names and mobiles? Facebook? email address searches. Look at their relatives too if you know them.  

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Have you tried Barclays mis protect?

http://www.barclaymis.com.au/  

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All of the free, legal avenues like Facebook etc have been exhausted, did consider trying to contact the most recent one's ex wife as she lived there for a time too.

Thanks for you help Terry.  

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ex spouses are a great source of information.  

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Hey, about 2009 we sold out house to a guy that didn't show up for settlement after delaying settlement four times, no notice, nothing. We sold the house for 12 grand less as it was a falling market and he overpaid originally. Our solicitor said let it go, and we thought we are sick of people ripping us off and just letting it go. We made the decision to either force his bankruptcy or get our money.

Everyone said we were throwing good money after bad- but we didn't care. Partly we just wanted to see the process through for future reasons and partly I was pissed and wanted revenge.

We went to qcat and got the judgement, sent debt collectors to get the money (they just work on commission- no money no cost). Then we ended up at the magistrates court where he hadn't returned any of the documents. The guy representing us (before the case) said he has no money, let it go. I said go and tell him we are taking him all the way to bankruptcy or he needs to allow his pay to be garnished. That is his two options.

He agreed in court to repay $100 a week which just finished last week.

Lessons:
1. Everyone will tell you to walk away- you need steely determination.
2. The scum have had 10 people before you walk away and expect you too aswell.
3. Until they have no other option they will not pay.
4. You need to be happy with either outcome- your money or them bankrupt.
5. At every contact point along the way, we made it clear he had two options, there were only two possible outcomes.  

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Hi Bhp19, is there any information on the tenancy application that can help you locate them, eg work, email, previous address, emergency contact? These are all usually listed on the tenancy application the tenant fills out when applying for the property, you need to go through this with a fine tooth comb. As Terry pointed out, ex's can be more than willing to point you in the right direction so could be a good contact to call.

By the way, obtaining an order for the sheriff to locate, confiscate and sell the tenant's vehicle's is a long and costly process and very rarely happens.  

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MrChomp said: ↑
Hey, about 2009 we sold out house to a guy that didn't show up for settlement after delaying settlement four times, no notice, nothing. We sold the house for 12 grand less as it was a falling market and he overpaid originally. Our solicitor said let it go, and we thought we are sick of people ripping us off and just letting it go. We made the decision to either force his bankruptcy or get our money.

Everyone said we were throwing good money after bad- but we didn't care. Partly we just wanted to see the process through for future reasons and partly I was pissed and wanted revenge.

We went to qcat and got the judgement, sent debt collectors to get the money (they just work on commission- no money no cost). Then we ended up at the magistrates court where he hadn't returned any of the documents. The guy representing us (before the case) said he has no money, let it go. I said go and tell him we are taking him all the way to bankruptcy or he needs to allow his pay to be garnished. That is his two options.

He agreed in court to repay $100 a week which just finished last week.

Lessons:
1. Everyone will tell you to walk away- you need steely determination.
2. The scum have had 10 people before you walk away and expect you too aswell.
3. Until they have no other option they will not pay.
4. You need to be happy with either outcome- your money or them bankrupt.
5. At every contact point along the way, we made it clear he had two options, there were only two possible outcomes.Click to expand...
thanks for the post.  

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mikezen said: ↑
Have you tried Barclays mis protect?

http://www.barclaymis.com.au/Click to expand...
I would not touch Barclays MIS operated by a Mr David Banks with a barge pole. Do a google search and you will see why. Also discussed here..  
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