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Hi All,

Need your urgent help and advice.

I live in Ardeer which is in the Western Suburbs of Melbourne and falls under Brimbank City Council.

8 months ago we had put town planning plans to add 2 dwellings out the back of my current property but the application lapsed for a couple reasons so we're looking to re-apply with a complete new set of plans, basically a 3 unit development.

We went into Council for a pre-application appointment and out of the blue the guy from the Council pulled out that we have to complete an Aboriginal Archaelogical Survey now from Aboriginal Affairs Victoria because we live within 400m of Kororoit Creek. He reckons it could take 12 months and cost up to $15-$20k for this study which I nearly fell off my chair and so did the architect as he's never come across it yet.

Has anyone else come across something like this and can you please tell me how long it took and rough costs as well please?

Also, is this legislated by anyone, does it HAVE to be done?

What's also weird is that they said if we stick to adding a single dwelling behind our current residence, we don't need to worry about doing this study but because we will be applying to knock down the residence and build 3 new units, all of the sudden now we have to do this additional study which is bizarre in my opinion.......Why the need to do it for 3 new Units but not for an additional unit(s) out the back, it's still going to be dug up with the one additional unit anyhow???

Confused, someone please help.....Thanks  

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It's actually called a Cultural Heritage Management Plan (CHMP) that I have to do, if anyone knows anything about it, please let me know.

Thanks  

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NO! :eek: sounds very expensive,  

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I actually think its called "Conning the white fella"...like half the other stuff in legislation relating to aborigines.................

Not many "real;' aborigines left in cities nowdays, the real ones live in the bush...wannabes live in the cities...mundine and co types..

Its way over the top in some areas of Qld, legislation for almost anything aboriginal related...............

Funny thing is though, you dont hear boo from the murries until someone mentions $$$$$ usually...

So much for equality.....doesnt work both ways on occasions.....go ask a real murrie, they will tell you who has stuffed up things.......the wannabes...  

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My son built a house near the Great Ocean Road.

As part of his council approval he had to employ an arborist and map and identify every tree on his block so that the council could tell him which he could remove to build his house.
Marg  

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Hi Littletee,

A mate of mine is just completing a sub-div up in country vic. He also had to apply for the aboriginal seal of approval. I think they had 12 mths to approve it and in the last wk 2 older guys rocked up to his site, 1 sat in the car with the a/c on and the second one walked around the block in 40 deg heat for about 5 mins! Must've been too hot for any real investigations! Anyway he got his approval but it took the full wack of time.

Hope you have more luck

Morty  

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I have a mate who's an archaeologist and worked in Melbourne for a few years as a consultant doing surveys of development sites. They had heaps of work after the Victorian legislation came in. He's now working in Sydney, but I could PM you his contact details if you are interested and he might be able to give you some pointers.  

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Hi littletee,

I did have Heritage Insight Pty Ltd recommended to me for a unit development in Narre Warren South. We did not end up using them as the Client found another firm.

Their contact info below.
Heritage Insight Pty Ltd
Ph. 9429 4930
They are located in Richmond.
They quoted $7,370.00 + GST for the CH'i'MP This was for a 14 Townhouse site.

Not a recommendation as we never used them but give them a call and see how you go.

Good luck,

Cheers

John J  

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Thank you all for your help, I really appreciate it.

Bit stumped and surprised about this to be honest so I really appreciate your help.

John J, any chance you can find out who they ended up using for this mate?

Brendio - Sent you a message, thanks heaps for that.

Anyone else have any other info, feel free to let me know.

Thanks heaps again all.  

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I can only pass on my commiserations. But if you do proceed with this, I'd strongly suggest you get some "inside info" as to what they'd be looking for and then do a real good search for yourself to make sure they don't find anything.;)

Did you see on TV (a while ago now) the grief they caused one Sydney home owner when they reckon they found a pile of old shells in the back yard?
Sacred eating site mate !! Turned out to be sea-shells brought home by the owner's kids. Still stopped the auction.

Between councils, heritage and this crap ...
LL  

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Hi littletee,

You would not want to use the company that my Client ended up using.

I am sure he regrets saving the $1,500.00 now. Very bad to deal with, very slow and had a new excuse every time we called.

The firm I mentioned in the other post was recommended to me by a private Planner who has used them many times in the past so they should be fine. I just wanted to let you know that I have not used them myself.

Cheers and good luck  

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csc2 said: ↑
I actually think its called "Conning the white fella"...like half the other stuff in legislation relating to aborigines.................

Not many "real;' aborigines left in cities nowdays, the real ones live in the bush...wannabes live in the cities...mundine and co types..

Its way over the top in some areas of Qld, legislation for almost anything aboriginal related...............

Funny thing is though, you dont hear boo from the murries until someone mentions $$$$$ usually...

So much for equality.....doesnt work both ways on occasions.....go ask a real murrie, they will tell you who has stuffed up things.......the wannabes...Click to expand...
Agree...don't make note of anything unusual you find or it will be sacred something  

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The Fuzz said: ↑
Agree...don't make note of anything unusual you find or it will be sacred somethingClick to expand...
Get somebody in to rotary hoe it ...
& then search like crazy ....
& make darn sure all you see is dirt.
LL  

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Yes. Do some research. Get an independant inspection and act on that befor the official site look over. My wife has koorie heritage and her sister actually does this for a living. Good site inspection and you are laughing. Bad one and it's all over. Grease the wheels that's all I can say.  

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One of my favourite bits of philosophy ...
" If you want something to be spontaneous, organise it !"
;)
LL  

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Thanks heaps John, will do. I'll contact them on Monday.

Thanks LL & Devo.

Devo - Does your wife's sister work in Melbourne? Can you explain what you mean by getting an independant inspection first, who would do this?  

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Looks like it's going to cost around $10k minimum and 6 months to complete.

Had one joker quote me around $20k and was so arrogant when I questioned the price that he basically said "oh well, try putting plans in without it".

Clearly these guys are making a KILLING on this stupid law......stupid being with all due respect to the Koori's, if I was to add 1 or 2 dwellings out the back on my current property which would obviously mean the whole back would need to be dug up anyway, there's no need to do a CHMP.

Now that it's simply a 3 unit subdivision, I must do one of these studies that's gonna cost me $10k and prob 6 months to complete.

When quized why the difference on the above scenario, not one firm came back with any genuine reasoning other to say they agreed with me that it's stupid.

Seems to me it's a total red tape beauricratic cash grab for 3 bed + developments as think those people wouldn't mind paying the $10-$20k extra for no reason at all.......NOT HAPPY JAN!!! lol  

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I agree.

I share your disdain for this. Most people have no idea what rights we've lost by stealth. Would you consider doing the project in two parts? (a) build two units behind existing house then ...after an appropriate time (b) demolish house and build third unit OR, renovate house to similar "theme" as new units. Most reno's don't need planning permits etc.
Just trying to be creative.
LL  

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Hi LL,

Yeah it sucks, but what can you do.

Thought about all that and although possible, even if I was to do that I'd still be up for prob $10-$15k to get all the plans and permits done for the 1 extra unit later on anyway, so really it's much of a muchness I think, might as well bend over now and cop it I guess lol.

Whilst I'm totally p*ssed off, I guess it's all a learning curve anyway isn't it, albeit a very expensive one lol. This is my first development of many hopefully so at least I'll know what to look out for next time, it really was a shock and all the firms said there are HEAPS of people in my same position, they basically get struck with it at the last moment from Council and all of the sudden they have to do this crazy study.

I wouldn't mind if the study was permanent across the board, but to say there's no need to do it for 1 or 2 dwelling developments but you have to do it for 3+ bed developments on potentially the same allotmant which is in my case I reckon is totally bullsh*t......But oh well, what can you do :)

I guess I'm just gonna have to pass on the extra costs to whoever purchase them once they're done and I sell them.

Thanks everyone for their help, this is a great forum and been learning heaps.  

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Littletee

Suggestion...
Go and see your local state minister about this matter after the election. Can't help to bring him or her up to date with increased fees, charges and more costs on building development!


Regards
Sheryn  

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