在澳大利亚 The pool at of an IP needs to be resurfaced (or so the pool doctor says), the cost was estimated to be $10K ($10,000), after recoverying from my impresssion of a cat coughing up a fur ball, it just seems far too much. Its just a standard poo I need some advice regarding a property purchase. Property - semi-detached house Bedrooms - 2 Condition - average needs internal reno to modernise Street - one of the best in suburb Location - excellent Close to schools - yes Transport - 50m
Was just doing some fun things with numbers (I've been away 4 awhile) and realized I am paying 20% of income to hold 3 properties. To me, thats a little to high, and so I am in the process of finding ways of suring up that gap with other investment opportunities.
Just wanted to get the opinions of SS members on what the guidelines are in terms of being safe in terms of % that should contribute towards holding negative cashflow investments.
Seems like alot of variables here, may not be relevant.
At 20% of income, that could be 200k for a 1 mil income.
Still leaves a lot left over and would be very safe.
And, there could be a very good reason to take a 200k loss for future planned gains.
I think the major factor here is income level, not percentage of income.
No, they make me money, they must bring in money/income for me...that's the deal. Not cost $$$.
Just the way we invest, that's the way we want it to be. And it is.
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No, they make me money, they must bring in money/income for me...that's the deal. Not cost $$$.Did you lose money in the beginning and turn over a profit over time or do you only buy deals that make money cashflow wise from the time of purchase?
Just the way we invest, that's the way we want it to be. And it is.Click to expand...
I have to go to work for about an hour and a half per week to cover the shortfall. (wifes wage not included). That's another way to look at it.
Generally when you're first starting you have higher losses but it gets better over time as rents increase.
I'm doing ok these days.
Even the ones I bought in 2008/9 are costing me nothing to hold but I take into account depreciation.
Last negatively-geared IP went positive last year.
We made $92 (after depreciation allowances etc)!!!
Ours don't cost us anything on average.
Have to, as this is our only source of income.
Don't feel too bad Daniel, my holding costs are about 150% of my income.
yeah my holding costs before depreciation/tax benefits is around 20% of my gross income
and this is 3x neg geared properties
Zero at the moment....positively geared to the tune of about $38k per year.
Had a lot more Cash Flow positive when rates were lower!
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What percentage of your income does it cost you to hold onto property?Click to expand...Currently, 0%.... my strategy is cash flow neutral as I am in growth phase. This will convert progressively to +ve from 5-8yrs out.
I don't count tax benefits diverted from ATO to property as a % as I never saw a cent of it in the first place.... so really I am in front by my tax offset
Remember, -ve geared does not have to be -ve cashflow....
6 hours of work (Landscaping) each week and I'm done.... The rest we live quite well off and Wifes wages....cream...!
Holding 4 IP's now and just acquired PPOR on small acreage near town...
Getting there... and it seems the longer we go on the easier it gets...we are prolly ready for another couple IP's....
More work for Rolf...
ianvestor said: ↑
Don't feel too bad Daniel, my holding costs are about 150% of my income.Click to expand...Phew! I thought we were bad at 60%+
The Y-man said: ↑
Phew! I thought we were bad at 60%+ Click to expand...Haha getting mine down to 100% would be heaven.
Minus 26%.....but then we are in the sit back and relax phase, so we are comfortable with that.
All of you that don't have to contribute any percentage or low percentage of wages to holding costs...is this mainly due time of holding where growth covers the gap or do you only buy at well-below intrinsic value? Or is there another way?
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All of you that don't have to contribute any percentage or low percentage of wages to holding costs...is this mainly due time of holding where growth covers the gap or do you only buy at well-below intrinsic value? Or is there another way?Click to expand...Good questions Daniel !
0% as both properties are CF neutral. Both were bought earlier this year so they can only get CF positive from here in the long run. They're not in a metro city though - usually have to look elsewhere for higher (7%+ ) yields.