澳洲Australia property Bottled gas ,solar or Electric hot water


在澳大利亚 I need some advice regarding a property purchase. Property - semi-detached house Bedrooms - 2 Condition - average needs internal reno to modernise Street - one of the best in suburb Location - excellent Close to schools - yes Transport - 50m The pool at of an IP needs to be resurfaced (or so the pool doctor says), the cost was estimated to be $10K ($10,000), after recoverying from my impresssion of a cat coughing up a fur ball, it just seems far too much. Its just a standard poo


I need to decide if a rental property should have bottled gas, electric or solar hot water.
Any savings from solar will go to the tenant.
The initial outlay is around $4000. As an investment it doesn't seem so great

Having as higher rent makes my property harder to rent as many tenants are not aware of the savings they can make in having solar hot water. Of course they realise their is a benefit but I doubt they can translate that into a dollar value.
I think the same argument can be made for a heat pump, ie the savings would also go to the tenant and Capital outlay is high.

Even if the IP is sold I doubt that it will add any value to the sale.

It seems the choice is either off peak electric storage, or instantaneous continuous flow gas.

What is typical with gas bottles in terms of who pays what. What happens if a tank is 70% full and the tenant vacates? Are bottles rented by the Landlord or tenant and at what monthly/yearly cost?
Are their any problems with Bottled gas, which I have not used, compared to Natural gas and solar which I an familiar with.  

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Whats a heat pump?

See ya's.  

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heat pump
somewhat like an airconditioner
pulls heat from one body, air/water/ground and adds it to another, in this case a water tank
supposed to be >100% efficient if installed and sized right

http://www.bchydro.com/powersmart/elibrary/elibrary694.html a Canadian link
http://www.ecosmart.com.au/heat_pump.html Aussie one  

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Where is the IP located?

My brother has a property West Of the Blue Mountains/Sydney. Near Bathurst but in a rural Location. Winter Temps often don't rise many degrees above zero in winter, It has a solar heater that is almost usless in Winter and the house is not even occupied full time. As he has gas already installed for cooking he had a Gas powered heater installed and it instantly bought a smile to everyones face as we could finally enjoy steaming hot showers.

Pretty sure the plumber that installed it all said the gas bottle should last around a year and would cost $60 to refill/replace. Not much at all.

Greg  

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AlmostBob said: ↑
heat pump
somewhat like an airconditioner
pulls heat from one body, air/water/ground and adds it to another, in this case a water tank
supposed to be >100% efficient if installed and sized right

http://www.bchydro.com/powersmart/elibrary/elibrary694.html a Canadian link
http://www.ecosmart.com.au/heat_pump.html Aussie oneClick to expand...
Actually around 300%  

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Bought a heat pump for the tenants as it coast the same as a replacementelectric given the solar rebates claimed.

The bonus is it gives off cool air so its like an aircondtioner for the garage  

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I lived with gas bottles for 18 years in my last house, which were only used for the hot water. Hated the damn bottles, it was so expensive, and we used to go through them on average about one bottle every coupla months. Had gas heating which was so wonderful but it would make you use a gas bottle in three weeks.

The tenant pays for the bottles, if they leave when it is half full, it is tough luck. Costings depend were you live, 20km down the road from us the bottles were so much cheaper. I certainly had no issues except for the expense, but I also had a very old house and functioning old hot water system, which may have used more then newer ones.  

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Definitely go solar, it's so cheap to run and really good for the environment.

If the Tenant doesn't have to pay, then all the better. It can just be added to the pile with the movie tickets / wine and chocolates....after all, they are my most valuable clients. Nothing is too much for them. :)  

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Dazz said: ↑
Definitely go solar, it's so cheap to run and really good for the environment.

If the Tenant doesn't have to pay, then all the better. It can just be added to the pile with the movie tickets / wine and chocolates....after all, they are my most valuable clients. Nothing is too much for them. :)Click to expand...
Dazz, great to see you supporting solar.

In my opinion solar with instant gas boost is the way to go. This means for the 5% of the year when you need a boost the gas does it but only what you need. Gas bottle last ages this way.  

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Can't help myself with this one.

Solar is NOT good for the environment. The use of CFC's in their manufacture (and I will leave the transport carbon footprint from across the globe out of this comment) means that unless you have the things continuously operating in 'peak' condition the energy they produce makes up for their manufacture after about 20-25 years.

That figure (20-25 years) is generally considered to be beyond the useful life of current generation panels.

Like the govt giving you $2000 for an old working car to replace with a $50000 car it simply creates a massive energy footprint on the planet for no other reason than to make the uneducated supposedly feel good and therefore vote for them.

From an environmental perspective our current government's policies are an utter disgrace.  

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lawsjs said: ↑
Can't help myself with this one.

Solar is NOT good for the environment. The use of CFC's in their manufacture (and I will leave the transport carbon footprint from across the globe out of this comment) means that unless you have the things continuously operating in 'peak' condition the energy they produce makes up for their manufacture after about 20-25 years.

That figure (20-25 years) is generally considered to be beyond the useful life of current generation panels.

Like the govt giving you $2000 for an old working car to replace with a $50000 car it simply creates a massive energy footprint on the planet for no other reason than to make the uneducated supposedly feel good and therefore vote for them.Click to expand...
I personally do not believe any of the above post. We just replaced our solar hot water system after 26 years of service. Didn't miss a beat.

There may be some confusion here with solar panels. The solar panels for hot water systems and the solar panels for making electricity are totally different in make up. For instance one likes heat (hot water) and the other does not so therefore their components are totally different.  

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Yes - probably a little off topic, solar hot water is a completely different thing. I was (as you correctly deduced) referring to PV cells.

Like most things this current batch of idiot ministers of the realm tell us, tax us or do for us, I get immediately suspicious and usually after short research very angry!  

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lawsjs said: ↑
Yes - probably a little off topic, solar hot water is a completely different thing. I was (as you correctly deduced) referring to PV cells.

Like most things this current batch of idiot ministers of the realm tell us, tax us or do for us, I get immediately suspicious and usually after short research very angry!Click to expand...
Totally agree with your second paragraph.  

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One of our neighbours runs a copper pipe through his coonarra woodheater. If you combined this with solar would you need any back up. What about Solar and wood, then night rate storage unit.  

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Graingrower said: ↑
One of our neighbours runs a copper pipe through his coonarra woodheater. If you combined this with solar would you need any back up. What about Solar and wood, then night rate storage unit.Click to expand...
Yes you still need the backup booster unless you can handle cold showers. This does help a lot though as the colder the day the hotter you have your fire going. We have this system in our house.

It is only rare that you need the booster but sometimes you have visitors and get a cold snap so the boost is needed.

What is night rate storage Graingrower?  

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By night rate storage I mean an electric hotwater service. So basically when you light the fire in the afternoon you are heating the water in your hotwater service. At midnight the HWS switches on, if needed, to finish heating the water. Then you have hot showers in the morning. If the fire is going, free hot water, if not, electric hotwater.
Can you get electric HWS combined with a solar HWS?  

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Graingrower said: ↑
By night rate storage I mean an electric hotwater service. So basically when you light the fire in the afternoon you are heating the water in your hotwater service. At midnight the HWS switches on, if needed, to finish heating the water. Then you have hot showers in the morning. If the fire is going, free hot water, if not, electric hotwater.
Can you get electric HWS combined with a solar HWS?Click to expand...
Yes, had it for 26 years at our place. Solar hot water with pipes running through wood heater with electric boost.  

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charlieandkath said: ↑
Yes, had it for 26 years at our place. Solar hot water with pipes running through wood heater with electric boost.Click to expand...
Electric boost would be peak rate, right? But then you would only use a fraction of the electricity by having wood and solar.  

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Would LPG be cheaper than peak electricity?  

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Graingrower said: ↑
Would LPG be cheaper than peak electricity?Click to expand...
Yes, but against off peak i do not know.  

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