澳洲Australia property Tradies' pay | Sydney


在澳大利亚 The pool at of an IP needs to be resurfaced (or so the pool doctor says), the cost was estimated to be $10K ($10,000), after recoverying from my impresssion of a cat coughing up a fur ball, it just seems far too much. Its just a standard poo I need some advice regarding a property purchase. Property - semi-detached house Bedrooms - 2 Condition - average needs internal reno to modernise Street - one of the best in suburb Location - excellent Close to schools - yes Transport - 50m


Hiya

So i had some backyard to be dug up today; man arrives this morning at 7.30 am and finishes at 3pm.....i casually asks him how much he is paid?

$1,000 for today's work; and adds that on good days; he gets $2,000...his excavator costs him 100,000 brand new...

"What about tax?": "what's that?" came the answer...

"So what does your 2 sons do?"

"They are in the same trade too!"

Why do i bother then to push my kids to excel academically!:eek:  

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virgo said: ↑
Hiya

So i had some backyard to be dug up today; man arrives this morning at 7.30 am and finishes at 3pm.....i casually asks him how much he is paid?

$1,000 for today's work; and adds that on good days; he gets $2,000...his excavator costs him 100,000 brand new...

"What about tax?": "what's that?" came the answer...

"So what does your 2 sons do?"

"They are in the same trade too!"

Why do i bother then to push my kids to excel academically!:eek:Click to expand...
Because you have been indoctrinated to believe that academic excellence = high pay = success...

If only it was that simple - not to devalue academic achievement but making money is very very different to studying hard. Sometimes I wonder why I even bothered being one of the top students in my State...  

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Aaron_C said: ↑
If only it was that simple - not to devalue academic achievement but making money is very very different to studying hard.Click to expand...
Totally agree. We're taught how to be good employees - not how to make money.

Cheers

Jamie  

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I can assure you he is paying plenty of tax unless he is operating some shady cash only unregistered business.  

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Doovalacky said: ↑
I can assure you he is paying plenty of tax unless he is operating some shady cash only unregistered business.Click to expand...
Oh you must be talking about tradies.

Lol.  

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Im a perfect example: Im a 'thinner sniffing spraypainter', and I go alright!;)


pinkboy:p  

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Aaron_C said: ↑
Sometimes I wonder why I even bothered being one of the top students in my State...Click to expand...
Because, at least in part, and like all life experiences it has formed who and what you are today ?

ta
rolf  

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Yes a lot of tradies make a lot of money, but ask most of them and that is the trade-off for doing something that is often physically taxing, often that they dont really like and most wish they could get out of their trade but they hope one day it sets them up in a good position so that there kids can do even better for themselves.

Im married to a tradie and we do just fine. He doesnt just do his trade anymore and shock horror he has gone into a different field. But financially because of his trade we are good and yes he can make good money. But talk to him and he will never let our children leave school and get the same trade for all of the above reasons, even though we both know there is good money to be made. And no he doesnt do cash jobs, and yes we dont pay a great deal of tax, but thats more to do with having a good accountant and a sound business knowledge and no he doesnt make those amounts that were quoted here every day, but if he can he will.

This thread is only going to go bad so I dont know why I have even bitten. but seriously people, if you wanted to save yourself the money you would have dug the hole yourself. If you dont way to pay the "ridiculous" tradie prices you'd do all these job's yourselves... Except your time is worth more than that right? Dont look down your nose at someone just becuase they are willing to do another mans $hit job and expect to get paid good money for it.  

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cjandlj said: ↑
This thread is only going to go bad so I dont know why I have even bitten. but seriously people, if you wanted to save yourself the money you would have dug the hole yourself. If you dont way to pay the "ridiculous" tradie prices you'd do all these job's yourselves... Except your time is worth more than that right? Dont look down your nose at someone just becuase they are willing to do another mans $hit job and expect to get paid good money for it.Click to expand...
You're the one starting it....no one is saying that they're being overpaid. The OP is just questioning the merits of academic achievement as she/he has discovered it is in no way linked to making money.  

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virgo said: ↑
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Why do i bother then to push my kids to excel academically!:eek:Click to expand...
Because one could be an educated business-person and have multiple tradies working for them. And just because a tradie may appear to be making plenty of money does not make them good at business.  

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Its a ridiculous, modern concept that smarter people should be paid more than the less smarter but who work hard.

The OP's post reminded me of 2 old sayings:

"There is no idiot like an educated idiot"

and

"Its only a rort if you're not in on it"  

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Hi CJ,

I really do think you have misread the tone of the OP.

I don't read it as a go at tradies, I read it more as a go at the drive to produce more educated Uni grads who were convinced to go to Uni and now find that many of them have wasted their time.

It stands to reason that the careers with staff shortages are always going to earn more. With the mania to force kids to go to year 12 (in NSW) it is only going to get worse IMO.

Many kids, boys in particular, are completely wasting their time staying at school. When a teen is a robust knock about, non scholastic kid he/she should be encouraged to do a trade.

I used to work in the building supply industry and I know that, as always, there are good and bad tradies but the good ones usually enjoy what they do and end up well off financially.  

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evand said: ↑
Its a ridiculous, modern concept that smarter people should be paid more than the less smarter but who work hard.Click to expand...
Confused

Define "smart" for me, because smart and education in the traditional sense dont necc go together ?


ta
rolf  

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Aaron_C said: ↑
Sometimes I wonder why I even bothered being one of the top students in my State...Click to expand...
Humblebrag!!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Humble Brag  

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Smart in the normally accepted modern western sense as in "academically smart"

Rolf Latham said: ↑
Confused

Define "smart" for me, because smart and education in the traditional sense dont necc go together ?


ta
rolfClick to expand...
 

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virgo said: ↑
Hiya

So i had some backyard to be dug up today; man arrives this morning at 7.30 am and finishes at 3pm.....i casually asks him how much he is paid?

$1,000 for today's work; and adds that on good days; he gets $2,000...his excavator costs him 100,000 brand new...

"What about tax?": "what's that?" came the answer...

"So what does your 2 sons do?"

"They are in the same trade too!"

Why do i bother then to push my kids to excel academically!:eek:Click to expand...

they don't get paid $1000 every day for jobs and tradies sometimes go for streaks of time when they don't have jobs. it goes with the nature of the job. Unlike some dudes here who get paid 1K a day for IT jobs in canberra, it's a different world. if you get injured as in back etc there goes your income, tell that to the kids.  

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evand said: ↑
Smart in the normally accepted modern western sense as in "academically smart"Click to expand...
k, I suppose its more complicated than that because of perceived value and responseability and DEMAND

Some questions to ponder around that might be

should a teacher that works 40 hrs a week be paid more than a builders labourer that works 50

Should a highly trained medical specialist that works 20 hrs a week be paid more than a plumber who works 50.

BTW, this question is targetted just at Evan, its in interesting idealogical question

ta

rolf  

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AND, just to ad to this wonderful thread, 'educated' these days is a very very large spectrum. For example, I can't believe that you can become a teacher in QLD, with an OP score of 17! That means you have basically failed all your (elective, that's right, elective) high school subjects. And then these people become 'academically qualified' to teach. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure a small minority are awesome teachers, but seriously....

Being academic does not equate to being 'financially academic', which all of us who are reading this forum are 'studying' to become. :D  

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Some people manage to get into a business that has more work than people. Such a situation is why many tradies get paid so much.

It's also why I get paid very well.

Things go in cycles. I suspect being a tradie will be good for a while yet, but there could well come a day when more and more people learn trades and thus the price drops.

It's not good or bad, it's just the way things are.  

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being smart academically.. doesn't necessarily equate to financial success.. i got a friend who was the top student in her accounting and it degrees but she opted for a university teaching position as opposed to job at a reknowned accounting practice.

as for tradies - some get paid mega bucks where else some just does menial jobs. my plumber although charges a bomb only gets odd and end jobs now and then where else my electrican generates like nearly a million dollars before tax a year coz he goes full out 6 days a week.  

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