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在澳大利亚 Hi everyone, After months of searching for my first IP I believe finally have the corage to put in my first offer. I would love some feedback Property: Duplex Asking price: $239,000 I believe it is worth $225,000 to $230,000 My Offer: $218,0 I am in Melbourne. Would like to buy properties interstate. How difficult is that to manage these properties. Any advise. 评论 Do you mean manage to find them or manage as in property manager? 评论 Manage to find a good property manager 评


We had some friends over last night.. They brought their 3 kids.. We cooked a little BBQ in the backyard. The BBQ was an iron plate pinched from my dilapidated old wooden framed, wheeled Gas BBQ. I took the plate and with the aid of a few bricks suspended it on top of a little wood fire.

I only cooked sausages, and with a loaf of bread, a bottle of sauce and a bit of coleslaw it was all ready, a nice meal. After we ate, I lifted the plate off and dumped it near the shed, we stoked the fire up and the kids poked pine cones into it for an hour or so. We sat around on chairs, a log and an old wooden box. We talked, drank too much beer, and the kids were filthy at the end of the night. A good time was had by all.

The cleanup was non-existent last night and this morning, the plate can sit in the corner of the garden gathering rust and dust until next weekend or the weekend after that. I'll burn it all off and scrape it a bit next time I use it.

It caused me, yet again, to ponder where we went so wrong. Too often, people are buying monstrosities like this:

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It boasts :
  • Stainless steel cooktop offers rust resistance, cleanability and cooking performance
  • Stainless steel warming rack
  • 240V rotisserie included
  • Optimum use of stainless steel in all components for outstanding appearance
  • Flow-limiting regulator for increased safety
  • Integral slide-out smoker drawer, positioned over one burner
  • Two powerful stainless steel side burners
You can buy it today from BBQs Galore. and they'll even finance you into it, interest free!

After cooking on it, it has to be cleaned, fat has to be disposed of, it has to be covered and from time to time needs maintenance. Of course it comes with a warranty, a good idea given the number of parts, knobs, igniters and other mechanisms that it is adorned with. Needless to say it has a limited life as well.. Maybe 10 years? Maybe 15? What ever it is, it will eventually fail and require replacement.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that perhaps the BBQ above isn't owned by people, it owns people. It's a taskmasker, it keeps you busy when you use it doing tasks other than actually cooking, it needs attention, it wants to be preened and prissied about with. It wants to be stored undercover and under some form of tarp (which needs to be put back on each time you finish with it). You need to work hard to own one, at more than $2000 of post-tax dollars then (if you're a an average wager earner) you'll probably need to work for at least 3 weeks before you can afford one.

The BBQ is but one example, when we add on the range of other extravagant consumer items it wouldn't be hard to get the point where we can envision a household of items that keeps its Income Earners on an Unceasing Treadmill of Earning in order to repair, replace and upgrade.. and what little time they have after they've Earned would often be spent proudly cleaning and caring for their Parade of Possessions.

Of course on the odd occasion that friends would come over they can smugly wheel out their 6 Burner BBQ to a cavalcade of oohs, aahs and envious looks. The oohs and ahhs might last about 2 years.. until Peter Jones from down the road brutally pipes up with "Ha! still got that old GTX-PRO 6 Burner hey Tom? I just got the new GTX-PRO ES EFI 9 Burner with Infra-red Warmer, you gotta come over next week for a snag!". The world comes crashing down and that shitty old GTX-PRO6 gets wheeled out less and less..

The BBQ is but one example, our hapless Consumer Addicts have the same issues with their Car, DVD-Player, Television, Kitchen, Stereo, Computer, IPODs, Digital Cameras, CamCorders, Spa, Bathrooms, Game Console, Vacuum Cleaner, Furniture, Outoor Setting, Kids Bikes, Clothes, Microwave, Dishwasher, Heated Towel Rail, Family Holidays, Stove, Refrigerator, and their House itself. They work in order to own, but end up being owned by the things they worked for.

Happiness (as I'm slowly learning) can never come through possessions but rather it comes through the enjoyment of
  • relationships (kids, family, friends, colleagues)
  • creativity (building things, making things, fixing things, art)
  • endeavour (applying ourselves to tasks, work, challenges or situations)
  • learning (new skills, new ways of thinking)
  • simple tasks (taking pride in washing up, mowing the lawn, developing a rythym for these tasks, using them as a therapeutic mechanism).

Anything that detracts from our ability to pursue these aims needs to be removed, to a certain degree, from our lives. When purchasing a new "thing" one must give some thought to the long term consequences of taking on the ownership of this "thing":
  • will it contribute to my happiness?
  • will I need to work hard and earn more so that I can replace it?
  • will it contribute to my cost of living?
  • will it deliver me more time to be happy or take away from it?
  • why am I buying it (because everyone has one, because I "bought" the marketing, because I think it will make me happy)
  • am I buying it so I can "fit in", to be part of a "club" or to keep up with the Jones'
I am slowly coming to believe that having less (through choice, not circumstance) is capable of making one happier than having the best of everything
  • a smaller, plainer, older car.
  • a smaller house,
  • less appliances
  • less entertainment equipment,
  • less furntiure (and more forgiving furniture like solid wood, rugged, rustic, ages with grace, less pretentious).
  • no dishwasher
  • simple floor coverings
  • simple outdoor furniture, a few logs, a wooden box or 2.
  • old books instead of DVD's
  • wooden blocks instead of GameBoys

I'm not advocating become a Zen Monk with nothing more than a wooden bowl and spoon, but rather checking out of the consumer mentality we've become so caught up in (over the last 40 years?) and getting back to the basics of happiness that I described above (which seem to be truer for me every day, maybe for other people the list might be subtely, or completely different?). We're surely no happier than people 40 years ago, yet we own so much more stuff and the more we own the more we have to work in order to keep, replace and maintain it.

Perhaps the more we own the more we seem to be owned. And.. as I've said in other posts, the less we want, the sooner we can retire.  

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You must have a friendly council Dunc, I doubt our's allows wood bbq's now. Sad :(

I made one out of a sheet of 10m chequer plate, four gal pipe legs, a couple of nuts welded at the ends and the fire box was a 50l oil drum cut in half with some holes blown in it with an oxy torch. The box was hung with some oxy welding wire through the nuts.

Cooked a lot of steaks n snags on that. Had to replace the fire box a few time tho. Gone now.  

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Hiya RC

10 metre chequer plate :O), now thats one helluva barbie :O)

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rolf  

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That's what happens when us old farts try to convert.

3/8" Sound better?

Brother had a plate of cast stainless (cast with a high nickel content, anyway) which split with a bang when we tried it. Back to the drawing boards LOL  

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I remember when my dad tried to build a bbq...

He got a stack of bricks left over from the new garage, and a big piece of steel plate from a mate who is a boilermaker.

Layed the bricks, one by one, every single one checked with a level before adding the next.

It was PERFECT.

Had a section under the fire bay for storing dry wood, etc. A nice big section for the fire, and a chimey with a flue dampner.

FIRE IT UP, says Dad, (about an hour after finishing it).

Um, shouldn't we wait? say Mum and I... Let it dry and let it settle, etc...

NO! says Dad, GET THE SAUSAGES.

Dad stoked it up, filled it with wood, opened the chimney flue, etc.

Soon he had a nice fire going.

Mum and I stood and shook our heads.

The nice fire dried out the mortar all oddly and the whole thing cracked.

The chimney leaned over at a very sad angle.

Dad swore.

Mum went on cooking what she'd already started in the kitchen. :rolleyes:

The next weekend (after walking past it swearing for a week) Dad dismantled it and rebuilt it.

This time he left it a month to dry before using.

The first time he used it the mortar cracked.

(Did I mention he's not a bricklayer)

It wasn't so badly cracked, so it was used for many years, until he started having trouble bending over to light the fire and chopping the wood. He bought himself a big u-beaut 4 burner BBQ, not quite as sophisticated as the piggy roaster above...

Had that for a few years and downsized to a 2 burner gas one.

It's OK though, I gave the 4 burner one a very good home...

asy :D  

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Duncan,

Sounds great in theory mate, and I agree 100% with what you have written.

However, reality hits home with the wife's friends.....yes, that merry bunch sitting around the familar table at Gino's cafe, transported there by the V8 Landcruiser, with designer sunglasses, the latest footwear and clothes, mobile phone permanently glued to ear talking to some other woman who is showing off to all her friends as she puts another Chinese made gimmick on her husband's credit card.

My wife is fantastic at resisting all of that nonsense, and is the sole reason on the "cashflow defence team" we are where we are today....she thinks it's outrageous as well, but it does insidiously rub off in subtle ways. Graduating with a marketing degree, she knows all of the tricks to suck the public in with whatever doodad they supposedly want.....just don't make it sturdy so it easily breaks / rusts / wears out 2 months after the warranty expires so they need to purchase the updated model....."this one has three extra knobs and that's why are charging 80% more than the base model"....

We drive a bog standard 9 yr old Holden Commodore sedan, and believe me, the pressure is on to upgrade.....I'm looking at a 1960's F150 but apparently that doesn't cut the mustard. The brother-in-law came around the other day with a new Volvo and everyone grovelled except me.....didn't make myself popular when I mentioned that as an ex-Harley rider I didn't think it was too flash at all. My three small daughters thought it was great and the smell of the new leather was "soooo cooool".....boy have I got an uphill battle with them. The same brother in law wants to follow us into industrial property having seen some of the things we've done but cannot due to lack of funds....

One of my wife's cousins came around the other day (she's 29, single, hopelessly in credit card debt and is the single heiress to a 6 MM fortune Daddy has slaved over for the last 40 years) trying to impress my girls with the latest buttons on her 'flash does it all' mobile phone that she can't afford. It drove me nuts to see her instill extremely bad habits into my daughters, who eagerly lapped it all up....what do you do ?? The eldest subsequently requested an IPOD which had to be refused no less than 4 times before the message got through that I won't pay for one...apparently I'm an old scrooge now.

I realise your BBQ plate is simply a metaphor for all consumer items, and I agree that it has got ridiculous. Talking with older reliable Ozzy blokes who are set in their ways is a great comfort of what is important. They are all blissfully ignorant of all of this consumer hype.....I wish I could afford that luxury as well.  

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duncan_m said:
Happiness (as I'm slowly learning) can never come through possessions but rather it comes through the enjoyment of
  • relationships (kids, family, friends, colleagues)
  • creativity (building things, making things, fixing things, art)
  • endeavour (applying ourselves to tasks, work, challenges or situations)
  • learning (new skills, new ways of thinking)
  • simple tasks (taking pride in washing up, mowing the lawn, developing a rythym for these tasks, using them as a therapeutic mechanism).
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Duncan, I couldn't have put it better myself in a million years. 100% pure gold,.

Mark  

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Dunc Club

'Things you own end up owning you' - Tyler Durden.

Dunc I think I might have suggested this before but you should watch 'Fight Club' if you haven't already.

Did you roast marshmallows (or meat kebabs) on the fire? Good one for the kids :)

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Saying no to kids is the hardest part. They see all this stuff and want it.
Easter is coming and in some families it is a second Xmas. In our family you only get candy. BUT you have to have an Easter basket ready for the "bunny " to put it in. AT 14,16,17 the boys are annoyed at this. But hey, us parents have to have some fun!!! A used strawberry quart (wooden) which they have to decorate is what is usually considered a basket.
If they had any imagination they would stick it in their rooms to have for next year.

Our oldest boy has a part time job. Always charge a small token fee ($5.00)to take/ collect him from work. This weekend we couldn't and he stayed at his sister's place in town. It is $7.00 each way for a taxi from her place. Showed him he was actually getting off cheap at $5. BUT other parents don't make their kids pay....he said when first got the job. He doesn't say anything now cause he knows it is our rule. We don't have commuter trains, buses etc.

I sent with him some food to his sister's (she's 22) and he purposely made sure he had some to leave with her, cause her fridge and cupboards were quite empty. I thought that was a sign of maturity.

Our home is filled with yard sale, second hand furniture. House is always a mess, but we are happy. Vehicle is 1997 and have no plans on replacing it.

Kids are always asking if they can have xxxx. Always say yes. They also know I won't be buying it. Xmas and birthdays are only time we buy presents.
They save their meager allowance. Seems they appreciate it more then.

My barbeque was one I won at a fair in 1980. Much better quality than the ones of today and works like a charm.
I get very little pleasure out of buying expensive new things.
Guess thats why we and most property investors have what we have.  

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We just went away with our friends from the yacht club.....

Let me paint the picture. Imagine a group of internet baes people all owning 30+ year old trrailer sailers with an average cost price of $6000 and a sale value of $6000 ish. Pulled by my 95 VS Commodore.

We spent about $5 in fuel.

Slept in our boats, kids lit a fire on a sand spit and got filthy and did marshmallows and potatos in it. Next morning they played in a little dinghy all day and on a rope swing.

This is what kids should be doing on a weekend everyone agreed. None of the kids and very few of the adults were overweight.

Got home last night all exhausted but feeling at one with the world.

So we all own these old tubs, meet up at

www.careel.com

(which has another fantastic forum where people give and give) and we go cruising together every other month. We did four nights on the Myall Lakes over NYE for less than the cost of one night in a cheap hotel.

I cannot rave about owning a sailboat enough. Is exercise, gives kids (and adults) confidence in trying new stuff, see some great spots you wouldn't otherwise, shapes character, makes friends and is cheap!

If anyone ever wants to come for a sail with me on Lake Macquarie - just give me a call! An open invite to all.

Cheers  

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RichardC said:
You must have a friendly council Dunc, I doubt our's allows wood bbq's now. Sad :(Click to expand...
Yep its sad.. one of life simple pleasure (sitting around a fire and talking) is massively regulated.. I had to check the Council, EPA, and State Govt websites to get the answer, they all wanted their say on what I could and couldnt do.. as it turns out, provided its not a total fire ban day in SA and you're cooking food then a wood fire is fine.. And despit checking it
didnt help me feel any easier.. for a lot of the time I was expecting the local Fire Brigade to burst in, extinguish my little party and slap me with a fine.. thankfully my new place is reasonably private :) I also tend to operate on the Permission/Forgiveness Principle.. "Its easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission" :)  

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Dazzling said:
I realise your BBQ plate is simply a metaphor for all consumer items, and I agree that it has got ridiculous. Talking with older reliable Ozzy blokes who are set in their ways is a great comfort of what is important. They are all blissfully ignorant of all of this consumer hype.....I wish I could afford that luxury as well.Click to expand...
I solved the Wife problem.. (or rather had it solved for me :) ).. the kids are just 4 and 5.. I talk when ads come on TV and try to point out the insidious marketing thats taking place.. I think if I keep that up, and make my home/garden a place of fun and adventure that we can keep the consumerism to a minimum ( I'm dreaming arent I?:) ).  

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Andrew_A said:
'Things you own end up owning you' - Tyler Durden.

Dunc I think I might have suggested this before but you should watch 'Fight Club' if you haven't already.Click to expand...
I watched it and really enjoyed it.. I'm looking forward to watching it again soon, I suspect it gets better the 2nd and 3rd time around? its definitely going to become an all time favourite..

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I forgot to get them, we shot up to the service station later that day (after the shops had closed) but they didn't have any.. Roasting Jelly Beans didnt see appropriate.. I'll be sure to stock up on them early next time :)  

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kathryn d said:
Saying no to kids is the hardest part. They see all this stuff and want it.
Easter is coming and in some families it is a second Xmas.Click to expand...
My local supermarket has had Easter Eggs since just late Jan.. its depressing.. The rampant march of commercialism into every corner, celebration and significant date in our lives continues like a steamroller :(  

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Simon said:
We just went away with our friends from the yacht club.....

Let me paint the picture. Imagine a group of internet baes people all owning 30+ year old trrailer sailers with an average cost price of $6000 and a sale value of $6000 ish. Pulled by my 95 VS Commodore.

We spent about $5 in fuel.

Slept in our boats, kids lit a fire on a sand spit and got filthy and did marshmallows and potatos in it. Next morning they played in a little dinghy all day and on a rope swing.

This is what kids should be doing on a weekend everyone agreed. None of the kids and very few of the adults were overweight.

Got home last night all exhausted but feeling at one with the world.

So we all own these old tubs, meet up at

www.careel.com

(which has another fantastic forum where people give and give) and we go cruising together every other month. We did four nights on the Myall Lakes over NYE for less than the cost of one night in a cheap hotel.

I cannot rave about owning a sailboat enough. Is exercise, gives kids (and adults) confidence in trying new stuff, see some great spots you wouldn't otherwise, shapes character, makes friends and is cheap!

If anyone ever wants to come for a sail with me on Lake Macquarie - just give me a call! An open invite to all.

CheersClick to expand...
I have very fond memories of similar things from my childhood.. We can buy our kids the latest console, the best IPod, let them have a TV, PC and internet connection in their bedroom.. but without a doubt the most enduring memories are the sort of thing you're describing, character AND relationship building times..  

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We've taken to muting the ads when they come on, and the kids don't mind at all.

We've also noticed (have you?) that the ads seem VERY much louder than the shows they are interrupting... :(

The ads promoting 'sms this number and get === for your phone' for example the ring tones, or photos, etc, are a good one for my age kids (10 & 12), we add up how much it costs over a year. They advertise $4 a ring tone (or whatever) but if you read the small print, it says "6 tones sent per week" etc, so I say, well, that's $24 a week, how much is that per year...

My 12yo (the math whiz) works out that it's oveer $1200 a year. Just to have your phone play a tune. Then we talk about what else you could buy for $1200.

It's a good lesson in reading the fine print.

asy :D  

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asy said:
I remember when my dad tried to build a bbq...Click to expand...
hehe I enjoyed that story.. :)  

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One of my most treasured childhood memories is of me and Dad floating around Lake Macquarie in a cheap little dinghy with 6hp outboard catching flathead, tailor and bream...

We were pretty poor until i was about 13 when Dad decided to start his own business and suddenly boom, in a few short years we had a new house, new cars, brand new boat etc...

As the eldest i remember what i was like to struggle - my youngest sisters (18 & 20) have no idea and both drive around in flash brand new cars and have all the latest mobile phones etc... :rolleyes:  

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asy said:
We've also noticed (have you?) that the ads seem VERY much louder than the shows they are interrupting... :(Click to expand...
Damn annoying isn't it. Especially if you are trying to sleep & the TV in the next room is on.:mad:  

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duncan_m said:
I watched it and really enjoyed it.. I'm looking forward to watching it again soon, I suspect it gets better the 2nd and 3rd time around? its definitely going to become an all time favourite..Click to expand...
Yeah, and the tenth time and twentieth and thirtieth. Yes, I have watched it that many times.

Mark  

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