澳洲在挪威报告养老院老人打疫苗死亡后,澳洲当局


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在挪威官员的警告后,澳洲当局正在寻求将要在本地使用的一支Covid-19疫苗的更多信息。

在打了辉瑞-BioNTech疫苗并出现副作用的挪威老年人中出现了少数死亡。

挪威医药机构上周报告29人出现副作用,其中13人死亡。

所有的死亡都出现在养老院中,所有死者年过80.

挪威的医生现在被指令“仔细考虑”谁该打疫苗。

澳洲订购了1000万支辉瑞疫苗。

联邦卫生部长亨特说他“立刻寻求”更多细节。

“我今天上午联系了澳洲医药监管机构药品管理局(TGA) 要求他们从辉瑞以及挪威医疗监管机构寻求更多信息。”

“外长佩恩会要求外交部直接向挪威政府寻求信息。”

“我们正在谨慎应对。”

自从12月底后有三万多挪威人打了辉瑞或莫德纳疫苗的第一针。

该国的卫生监管机构说发烧和恶心是可能导致一些虚弱病人死亡的副作用。

在报告中挪威医药机构说21名女性和八名男性遭受副作用。

该机构的医疗主任Steinar Madse告诉当地广播公司NRK说:“我们并不对此震惊。很显然这些疫苗的风险很低,对最虚弱的患者则有小部分例外。”

“医生们现在得仔细考虑应该给谁接种。那些非常虚弱已经走到人生尽头的人可在个例评估后打疫苗。”

除了那些死亡的人外,该机构说有九人出现严重副作用,包括严重不适和高烧,七人有较不严重的副作用。

上周早些时候,另外一个挪威政府卫生机构说:“对于老年人和虚弱的人来说,疫苗所有的副作用都会被感染Covid-19得重病的风险降低所抵消。”

在澳洲,辉瑞疫苗可望在阿斯利康/牛津疫苗之前被审批。

亨特说在挪威的报告后澳洲推出疫苗的时间表未变,优先人群将从下月开始接种。

他说:“我们不知道(挪威的这些死亡)是否仅仅是因为年纪,还是有其他因果关系."

辉瑞疫苗报告有95%的有效率。


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-17/norway-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-reported-side-effects-deaths/13064910

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不打疫苗,这13位老人会死吗?

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负责任的行为应该是再观察一下,这么多人死亡可不是小事。
感觉挪威哪位官员没当死人是多大回事,难道因为死的都是老人?

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澳洲五阶段疫苗实施方针,第一阶段好像就有养老院。

看来整个西方都是一样的方法。问题在于,三期实验没怎么对老人做足够的实验,哪来的自信先给老人打?

澳洲目前就一个辉瑞,暂时没有其他选择,这五阶段要更改了

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莫里森带头打就行了

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不知澳洲的疫苗定金是不是都付了?

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问跟不问有区别么,搞得跟有的选似的。


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BMJ 已经有报告了,在外面玩就不翻译了,有兴趣的可以自己看下

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

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必须直播

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看来中国先给60岁以下接种是有一些道理的。

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人命关天,不容任何闪失

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Smh上读者的评论挺有意思。
Philo30分钟前
My uncle died in UK on New Years Eve 4 days after receiving Covid vaccine He was 95 We have received no report to suggest vaccine caused his death

Leonardo32分钟前
USA's Adverse event reporting system now states that 55 people have died after receiving the vaccination. It also reports 96 life threatening events and 24 permanent disabilities.
The CDC states that severe allergic reactions to covid-19 vaccination is running at 11.1 per million ,
vs 1.3 per million for the flu vax.
''Very positive'' indeed.

Anon33分钟前
Vested interest, PR, politics and media

Dangerous combination

Sydboyo1小时前
Reduces the pressure on the government for their questionable strategy when choosing which vaccine and the number of does to purchase. With Greg, when he's bobbing, pay close attention.
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The Continuum1小时前
I can remember when the polio vaccine rolled out in Australia. Lots of people experienced a multitude of reactions and it was not until the Sabin oral vaccine became available that it was deemed completely safe. That took years.
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要慎重

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确实。 整个世界太疯狂,疫苗给身强力装的做efficacy test有p用。 这些人得了也能自愈。 efficacy有效率对体弱多病的才有说服力。 但也没办法,五六年的东西一年做出来能有多好呢,当局的也知道这个情况

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科学杂志就说辉瑞疫苗的核酸是用聚乙二醇纳米粒子打包的,有些对PEG有抗体的人可能会产生过敏反应。

所以打完疫苗后,要多观察一会儿,确保没有过敏反应再回家。

Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine trigger rare allergic reactions

Severe allergy-like reactions in at least eight people who received the COVID-19 vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech over the past 2 weeks may be due to a compound in the packaging of the messenger RNA (mRNA) that forms the vaccine’s main ingredient, scientists say. A similar mRNA vaccine developed by Moderna, which was authorized for emergency use in the United States on Friday, also contains the compound, polyethylene glycol (PEG).

PEG has never been used before in an approved vaccine, but it is found in many drugs that have occasionally triggered anaphylaxis—a potentially life-threatening reaction that can cause rashes, a plummeting blood pressure, shortness of breath, and a fast heartbeat. Some allergists and immunologists believe a small number of people previously exposed to PEG may have high levels of antibodies against PEG, putting them at risk of an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine.

As much as 72% of people have at least some antibodies against PEGs, according to a 2016 study led by Samuel Lai, a pharmaco-engineer at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, presumably as a result of exposure to cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. About 7% have a level that may be high enough to predispose them to anaphylactic reactions, he found. Other studies have also found antibodies against PEG, but at lower levels.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/ ... -allergic-reactions



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Dean1小时前
This is a huge news storey around the world. Australian medical authorities need to ask question and now. I have a granny that fits this bill and right now, I will refuse to have her vaccinated due to the Norwegian experience. I mean how could I now. She is very scared right now and so are we...thanks for publishing this storey.

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不做过敏测试不敢打!

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有报道挪威老人院的死亡率吗?昨天看到的,平均每周400人,bmj.com

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是有道理的。社区感染不严重的国家,应该从年轻人开始接种实现群体免疫;社区感染严重的国家,应该从死亡风险最大的老年人开始接种。

当初三月澳洲第一波疫情的时候,我记得莫里森介绍压平曲线“Flatten the Curve”和群体免疫“Herd Immunity”,就提到不关闭学校,让感染后重症少的年轻人帮助实现群体免疫。

Prime Minister Scott Morrison, chief medical officer Professor Brendan Murphy and his deputy, Professor Paul Kelly, all floated the idea of herd immunity, linking it with keeping schools open.

And this is what is behind it. When infected, children have a considerably milder response than adults. At school they would infect each other, become immune and contribute to herd immunity.



https://www.afr.com/policy/healt ... rve-20200317-p54azx

https://www.canberratimes.com.au ... attening-the-curve/

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挪威人打的是什么疫苗啊?

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我觉得即使社区感染严重的国家也不该上来就给死亡风险最高的老人用,因为这个疫苗并没在老人中充分论证免疫反应和副作用,放在感染风险最高的医生和通勤人员我觉得更合适。

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医护,边防,一线工作人员肯定都是最高优先级,所有国家都一样。

老人还是年轻人优先,不同的国家不一样。

社区传播严重的国家一般是老年人先接种。


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高龄人群本身患有慢性疾病的可能性就非常高。 比如80岁以上的,要么高血压,或者心脑血管。 接种高龄人群,除非在trial阶段做了大量的测试。 那这个又比较tricky了,风险高又没办法做大量测试。 所以疫苗的时间周期就得五六年,快不了

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不管是第一波还是第几波接种,澳洲不会是强制的,这在一开始就很明确了。只是第一波优先级高的人有权接种,不是说第一波符合条件必须接种的意思。
澳洲主要死亡群体就是老人院的老人,不给他们一个优先的选择说不过去的。任何人都可以选择不打。

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挪威不搞自然群免啦?

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这哪是免疫疫苗,催命疫苗吧

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这没错。

但是还是有差别的。

一个是国家级别公共卫生宏观的Risk Benefit Analysis,根据国情决定老人先打还是年轻人先打,能够实现群体免疫。

接种的个人还要根据自身和社区的情况决定要不要接种疫苗,什么时候打。

差别就在这个时候,如果社区大部分年轻人已经接种了,老人,尤其高龄老人接种的风险回报比就大不一样了。

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这些疫苗的风险很低,对最虚弱的患者则有小部分例外。


去年年初专家说:

新冠的风险也很低(就是大感冒),对最虚弱的患者则有小部分例外。(死的都是老年人)所以当时不戴口罩不在乎covid

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毛里森多大了?

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